facepunch is dead

[Chad Wardene]

come here

[Ambassador]

holy fuck this site still exists


holy shit i still have mod lmao

[ButtsexV2]

good riddance

[DrTaxi]

holy fuck this site still exists

[altrus]

what the fuck this is still in cyberspace

[altrus]

lol fuckin remember when i liked radiohead anyway i listen to zuntata nowadays

[DrTaxi]

Fuck it, since signing up on a site just to dunk on its developers seems like an even worse idea, I'm just gonna take this corner to write up a rant nobody will read.

The remaining FP mods set up a new forum and they're making all the same mistakes Newpunch (the most recent one, not vB4 Oldnewpunch) did.

Forums are inherently Web 1.x. Okay, Discourse works for support forums, but for communities, the only reason I'd go to a web forum in 2019 is for that comfy '00s Internet feel, back when websites had more than 5 features and the UI/UX didn't treat everyone like a 5 year old that just got their first iPad.

And what does your shiny new modern web orgy get you?



THIS PROBLEM WAS SOLVED 15 YEARS AGO. You could run a massive vBulletin 2 on a single $99/month dedicated server (okay, maybe add a DB slave for comfort, and/or cache) and search through millions of posts just fine. And you're expecting trouble searching through ~10,000 with your software providing the core 1% of functionality software had 15 YEARS AGO? Come on.

Now I'm not suggesting anybody should use literally vBulletin 2 in 2019 (or this shitty hacked-up 3.x that probably has 200 security holes by now) but modernized old-style solutions like vBulletin 5 or XenForo exist. Speaking from experience they're not great, for sure, but they work, and their many problems are nothing compared to what your forum software offers which, despite all the minimalism, still manages to eat twice the RAM of this page and lag on my laptop thanks to the React SPA meme.

(To Inacio and gang, if by some strange miracle you end up reading this, please don't take it too personally. We clearly mostly just disagree on how forums should be done, and I'll give you that Knockout is mostly for people who stuck around on Newpunch regardless. And I'll admit that the fluidity features are pretty neat (though when ~AJAX~ was hot shit and Web 1.x sites added them, that was a lot nicer). I just have a lot of pent-up resentment about the end of the old, free, nerdy web and had to get that one out of my system.)

(To anybody else reading this, yes, you're right, I should go outside more.)

[Ambassador]

To be fair to Inacio & the dev team, it IS pretty cool that they built the whole thing from the ground up as opposed to using established software - I mean, it's an impressive task. Totally unnecessary, sure, but still impressive no less and especially on such short notice and on such a short time span. Totally agree they should've just used VB, XF or even some shit like PHPBB would've been a better solution, but I have to give them kudos for trying anyway.

[DrTaxi]

Well, yeah, it is a neat passion project. And, even with how rough around the edges it is, it's a lot more usable than many webapps built by teams of full-time engineers.

Thing is, whatever they do, they're not gonna have the feature creep of prefab board software (I like it when software has tons of functionality I'll never use because that is what makes it feel professional to me, like there's no way it could ever be missing functionality I might want at some point).

And the direction of what they are building just doesn't feel right to me. Besides the design (that could just be userstyled over), take the post editor for example. It's exclusively WYSIWYG, which is nice if you're not nerdy enough to type BBCode I suppose, but no matter how well-implemented they are, WYSIWYG editors always make me feel really uncomfortable because I don't have full/direct control over what I'm editing. And I imagine, as with Newpunch, a plaintext editor is not something they could add easily because the raw post format is not something you'd ever want to edit by hand (and this is probably also what makes fulltext search difficult).

Anyway, nice post count.

[Ambassador]

Definitely agree, especially about BBCODE (it's not even that hard of a system, if anything it's better because you have way more control over where your shit ends up getting tagged vs "oops i guess i accidentally selected a space and now my whole thing is messed up unless i remove it and try again but more carefully" like with spoiler tags).

I'll stick around anyway and see what comes of it. The potential is there and clearly the will to make it the best it can be, despite the current flaws. The trello gives a pretty good insight to what they want to make happen in the coming weeks or months; https://trello.com/b/Td60qIbu/notpunch-project

also thanks i guess i fucked it up now so rip that

edit:
Also wow going back on my post history on this account, fucking hell I was a pathetic loser 9 years ago lmao

Actually jokes on me, I'm still a pathetic loser except now I'm a pathetic loser in my mid-20s with a job who pays taxes.

[DrTaxi]

Originally Posted by Ambassador

I'll stick around anyway and see what comes of it. The potential is there and clearly the will to make it the best it can be, despite the current flaws. The trello gives a pretty good insight to what they want to make happen in the coming weeks or months; https://trello.com/b/Td60qIbu/notpunch-project

I joined up for old times' sake, probably won't stick around though.
Sure, they're trying their best (and they're doing a much better job than Newpunch), but ultimately what they want to do is not what I'd like them to.

10 more years and we can have a Facepunch 25 Years Reunion Meetup, that'd be swell.

Also wow going back on my post history on this account, fucking hell I was a pathetic loser 9 years ago lmao

I wish I could say the content on this site was funny at the time, you just had to be there, but if I'm gonna be honest with myself, no, 99% of this stuff was never funny

[PonceDeLeon]

that's actually depressing. i'll miss fp